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Ep. 55 Joy in Uncommon Work

Ep. 55 Joy in Uncommon Work

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Ask a pastor what they do for a living and watch what happens. Either an awkward silence, or someone jokes about a one-day work week. Ministry is uncommon work. Not because people misunderstand it, though they often do, but because it asks something most jobs never ask: your whole self, on the days you have nothing left to give.

This episode is for the pastor who loves the congregation and still ends most weeks running on fumes. The one carrying sermon prep, counselling, conflict, and administration, who feels guilty for not feeling joyful about a calling they know is good. That guilt is common. So is the exhaustion underneath it.

Carson, Chuck, and Ingrid sit with that tension honestly. They ground the conversation in Galatians 5:22-23. Joy is a fruit of the Spirit. It was never meant to depend on your circumstances, your calendar, or how the last elders’ meeting went. From there, three practical shifts: reframing hard seasons as formation, setting boundaries that protect what matters, and celebrating the small wins that rarely make it into a sermon illustration.
Here’s the question underneath the whole episode. If joy in ministry doesn’t come from your circumstances improving, where does it come from? And when did you last go looking for it there instead?

Ep. 51 The Prayer of Indifference

Ep. 51 The Prayer of Indifference

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Most of us walk into our biggest decisions already knowing what we want. We just want God to agree.

That’s not prayer. That’s lobbying.

The Prayer of Indifference is an ancient spiritual practice rooted in Ignatian tradition and the Quaker pursuit of surrender. At its core, it’s the willingness to say, “Lord, I don’t want what I want. I want what you want.” Simple to say. Genuinely costly to mean.

In this episode, Carson, Chuck, and Ingrid unpack what holy indifference actually looks like in the life of a working leader. Not apathy. Not passivity. But a deep enough trust in God that you can set aside your attachments, your fears, and your preferred outcomes long enough to actually hear Him.

If you’re a business leader weighing a decision that affects your team, a pastor navigating competing loyalties, an executive who suspects their ego is doing more of the talking than they’d like to admit, or a parent at home trying to discern what faithfulness actually looks like in the daily grind of family life, this conversation is for you.

Most leaders don’t lack information when facing a hard decision. They lack freedom. Freedom from the fear of what others will think, from the pull toward comfort over calling, from the quiet pressure to choose the path with more applause.

This practice won’t make hard decisions easy. But it may make them honest.

So here’s the question worth sitting with before you press play: What would change if the outcome truly didn’t matter to you?

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